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  • Someone asked:
    Can the president change the date of an activity that the body has already voted on?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      Generally the chair cannot change the date of an activity set by the body - but before you make a stink consider is the president changing the date for some self-serving reason, or is it for the benefit of the event. Technically, unless the bylaws give the president the power to veto a decision of the body the president cannot change the date of an event set by the body. If the bylaws give the president the power to make an event, such as calling a meeting, the president can set another event, such as a meeting, for a different date. Technically the president cannot cancel the first event but if the president sends out a communication to the members "I have created this even on this date, and here is the reason why, so there is no need to attend the event on the date set by the body" the generally the members, if they trust the president, will honor that. However, if the members don't trust or don't want the new date, they can show up for the date originally set and , if the event is a meeting, and they have a quorum, they can have the meeting (even without the chair). For a more specific answer you can send your bylaws to kirby@parliamentarian.com.
  • Someone asked:
    A motion at a special meeting was ruled invalid. There was no discussion or vote taken, and the chair abruptly n the meeting. Need help drafting the specific motion language to reintroduce the matter, and addressing the procedural record at the next meeting.
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      If a motion is made which violates Robert's Rules of order (not just because the chair does not like the motion) the chair can rule the motion as "out of order" and no debate is required.. Any member can then, without waiting to be recognized, state "I appeal the ruling of the chair". If this is seconded, then a debate is required and the debate is about is the motion in order or out of order according to the rules. Then there is a vote by the body on the question if the ruling of the chair is sustained or not. At your next meeting there are two things you want to do. First when the minutes of the prior meeting are ready to be approved you would state "I have a correction to the minutes. The chair ruled that the motion of _____ was out of order and the reason for the chairs ruling should be stated in the minutes". The purpose of this is to get the chair on record as to why the motion is out of order - maybe it is for a legitimate reason. The next thing you do is at the appropriate place in the meeting you make the same motion again (whatever was the original motion that created the problem). Then if the chair rules it out of order again, then you use the "appeal" process described above. Lastly it seemed you were trying to say that the chair quickly adjourned the meeting last time. The chair does not have authority to adjourn the meeting against the will of the body. If the chair tries to say "the meeting is adjourned" without valid authority then anyone can say "point of order the chair cannot adjourn the meeting without a vote, where there is a pending motion".
  • Someone asked:
    Bylaws state "For an agenda item to be put on meeting agenda, five members must sign a petition". Board says that in addition to five signatures, additional signatures (of those submitting petition) are necessary. Is there anything in Robert's Rules that says anything about this?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      The board cannot require more than what is provided in the bylaws. Also, that rule can be suspended by a 2/3 vote. Bylaws cannot usually be suspended but bylaws that are in the nature of a rule of order (a rule about meetings) CAN be suspended.
  • Someone asked:
    Can a person serve as the president at one level of an organization and the treasurer at a different level in the same organization?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      There is no rule in parliamentary law that prevents this, so long as the person is not accounting for their own expense authorizations. So you would look at the bylaws for any rule prohibiting this. If you have a more specific question you can write me at kirby@cerenimbus.com
  • Someone asked:
    What makes a motion “out of order”?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      A motion can be out of order for several reasons - here are the major ones: A motion is out of order if it: 1. conflicts with the law, the organization bylaws, or other rules 2. is ambiguous or doesn't clearly state a matter to be decided 3. conflicts with a motion previously adopted which has continuing force 4. is made at a time when another motion of a higher rank is pending, or is not made at the appropriate time for that class of motion. If you have a more specific question you can write me at kirby@cerenimbus.com
  • Someone asked:
    Per RONR, when a quorum is undefined in our group's governing documents (Constitution or Bylaws), how many people must be present for a vote of a convention of delegates to be binding? Grok states, "According to Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised (RONR), when an organization's governing documents (such as bylaws) do not define a quorum, the default rule is that a quorum consists of a majority of the entire membership (more than half of all members entitled to vote)." Grok references Wikipedia: "In the absence of such a provision, a quorum is an assembly whose membership can be determined is a majority of the entire membership" which putatively refers to RONR, though no page number is provided. This response in a forum sems consistent: https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/31673-quorum-nothing-in-bylaws Yet I also know from an authoritative source that "a quorum is the majority of delegates that actually show up". Can you help rectify these apparent contradictions? Thanks much.
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      First, there is no contradiction. Grok is not Robert's Rules. Wikipedia is not Robert's Rules. These are only summaries of people's comments about Robert's Rules from the internet, which is full of garbage posted by ignorant people. There is no need to explain differences between the actual rules and internet garbage. Second, as often happens with AI, you are not getting and answer to the question you asked, you are getting an answer about a different question. Your question is about a quorum for a CONVENTION. The AI answer is about a regular meeting of an organization, where the quorum is indeed a majority of the membership. But a quorum for a CONVENTION is a majority of the delegates who showed up. Here is the actual rule. From RONR (12th ed.) 3:4 In the meetings of a convention, unless the bylaws of the organization provide otherwise, the quorum is a majority of the delegates who have been registered at the convention as in attendance, . . . Parliamentarian beats AI every time.
  • Someone asked:
    Do appointed officers have to be sworn in to the position.
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      There is no requirement under Robert's Rules to be "sworn in". If an organization wants its officers to take an "oath of office" or some such, that should be provided in the bylaws.
  • Someone asked:
    Can you concurrently move a motion and ask that it be placed first on the agenda?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      The question in nonsensical because you don't make a motion and THEN put it on the agenda. If you want to adopt an agenda you put the topic on the agenda and then when the item comes up you make the motion. Adopting an agenda is not required for regular meetings and generally is a time waste of time. This podcast explains why: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/parliamentarian/episodes/Why-you-dont-adopt-an-agenda-under-Roberts-Rules-e2e0o86 Just wait until New Business, get recognized, then make your motion.
  • Someone asked:
    The body of a Council voted to host a holiday party at their November meeting for December 19th. On December 18th, the chair canceled the event with no notice. Is this permissible?
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      No. Unless your bylaws extend this power to the chair, the chair has no authority to cancel a meeting that has been called by the body. Even if it was just a party with no meeting, generally the duty of the officers is to implement the decisions made by the body.
  • Someone asked:
    Our bylaws state 'If a vacancy occurs during the first year of a two year term, the membership shall elect someone for the remaining period at the next General meeting in order to maintain the alternating year schedule. If it occurs after that time, the President shall appoint a Member to serve until the next election.' I am currently VP and our President resigned in less than half his term. We will elect a President at our next general meeting. I am running and will most likely be the only nominee and will probably win. That leaves the VP position open. The President vote will occur in the general meeting. But how do we handle the VP? It is 3 days away and I don't have time to find candidates. Can we pend the vote on VP???
    • Kirby Glad, PRP replied:
      There is no vacancy in the VP position now, unless you resign now. If you are elected at the meeting the VP Vacancy will occur at that meeting, which I assume would be after the first year of the term, and the President can appoint.